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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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anyway I really can't believe that peter cushing would approve of
animating a dead person


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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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What are you talking about? He reanimated himself.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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Just saw this tonight.
This movie looked great (uncanny valley death-puppets aside) the art direction, costumes, sets, CG etc were all excellent.

The script was kinda terrible? The plotting was passable most of the time, but there were 0 twists, or even turns, or unexpected developments. Straight ahead all the way. And the "heist" elements and obstacles at the end were embarrassingly contrived. Flip a switch sitting open on the beach. Find the data drive and then use comically inefficient handles to retrieve it. Climb a tower and then push a button, and then flip a lever?? They served the function of getting in the way of our characters, but had so little cleverness or creativity to them, it was pretty poor.

And then the dialogue, oh boy. "Don't choke on your aspirations?" Seriously? Who approved that line? A few of the jokes landed well, but most of them fell really flat. The droid had a few solid bits, but they really leaned on him for levity too much, it got tired.

Also not totally comfortable with the 'mystical oriental' role that one guy was given. Really? We're doing that?

Liked a few things about it though! As I mentioned off the top, it looked great. The cast for the most part were good. Great use of Darth Vader at the end, making him legitimately scary, while bridging his prequel characterization and original series mannerisms well.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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I went and saw this. That cargo pilot sure did recover quickly from being driven insane by a mind-raping squid-walrus. Maybe that Rebel guy should have become a trauma counsellor or something.

I liked the movie but the characters were pretty boring. Also the plot was dull. It felt like there was a really great sci-fi version of Where Eagles Dare buried in their somewhere, but it got buried beneath the conventions of the series. The individual scenes were good but it wasn't much of a story.
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Having said that, I thought that it was a really good movie and it would be possible to edit out all the needless inserts of characters from the original trilogy and fix most of the problems by doing so, which was considerate of the writers and editor. Except the final appearance of Vader.

Also I thought that the way Vader's combat style was presented was actually really well-done, with his basically using brute force to steam roll people in a way that's just plausible given the limitations imposed by his armour, but doesn't really contradict the way he fights in the other films, where he's clearly going easy on Obi Wan and Luke.

Also I like all these hot female action heroes they keep coming up with these days.

Also I thought not-Cushing was very convincing, and it brought me out of the film. I just sat there thinking "This is wrong. The man is dead". I felt like I'd seen a ghost and did not like it. But it was a triumph of special effects, I suppose.

The really dark elements were weird. Jyn is a child soldier, for example. And all the weight given to the various deaths makes a scene like the one where the star destroyers are used to blow the gate horrible. I guess it's probably deliberate (they humanise a former imperial pilot) but still it's disturbing to see that sort of naked pride and such over the death of the enemy when the death on one blind priest is a tragedy. It's probably my biggest problem with the series as a whole, really. I guess Anakin's arc is a sort of commentary on that but it still never really addresses the central convention of the enemy being dehumanised and its death played for laughs, even in a movie that's clearly aiming to be darker and grittier.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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Honestly when I first heard about it I thought the movie was just going to be about a commando raid, and I kind of wish they had just remade The Dirty Dozen or something. Even the title made it sound like it's about a crack squad of Rebel commandos tasked with planning and executing a raid on an Imperial stronghold, but then that's only a bit at the end and it looks a lot like the climax of Return if the Jedi. But I'm also pretty glad they made a movie about the nuts and bolts, day to day workings of the Rebellion.

Also the way AT-ATs were deployed in this film annoyed me. I got the impression they were armoured troop transport used to assault fortified bases, and it would have made more sense to have AT-STs or something in the climax.

It was not like other Star Wars, so I really liked it.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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Tom wrote:
I went and saw this. That cargo pilot sure did recover quickly from being driven insane by a mind-raping squid-walrus. Maybe that Rebel guy should have become a trauma counsellor or something.

Yeah this bugged me as well. When they first realized it was the pilot, I thought he was going to end up being a really sad lost cause (that they would still rescue), or would have to put himself back together again slowly throughout the movie. His rebound was too quick.

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Yeah honestly I wasn't sure why they didn't remove the line about the effects of the squid, or add a line about it being a remarkable recovery at least.

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I don't think any other characters besides Forest Whitaker and the pilot himself knew he'd been squid-brained, so there couldn't have been a "natural sounding" line about a quick recovery, since Whitaker never saw the pilot after he squealed.
I can't remember the wording of the line about losing your mind, so maybe it was more of a "MOST PEOPLE don't come back from it" kind of thing. But it's still dumb.

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http://www.tor.com/2017/01/30/star-wars ... last-jedi/

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That's quality content

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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i finally just watched rogue one and i really liked it
it was aesthetically everything i like about star wars and a lot of what i like about scifi in general and everything else felt like a good 40k bolter porn story. i think going into it knowing everyone was going to die got me attached more to characters like the wise cracking robot sidekick.
also star warsier than 7 imho

all the fan service stuff could and should totally have been cut. the dr evazan thing was woof. but i liked both vader scenes. i thought cgi tarkin looked really good at a reasonable distance and i don't have any moral objection to it as long as the people animating and voicing him get credited/paid/etc. the closeup shots were really jarring but it was very close to being good. they probably would have been better off inserting young carrie fisher from anh into the final scene instead of cging her tho.
for sure the best gareth edwards movie tho lmao

also i couldn't stop thinking of tested.com's will smith (not that will smith) any time the wise-cracking robot sidekick talked which makes me wonder how much of tested.com's garry whitta's original stuff ended up making it into the movie.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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i kept expecting that crystal deal to pay off, like jyn gives it to donnie yen and his staff turns into a lightsaber but they never come back to it. i like non-jedi force cults existing tho. is max von sydow in episode 7 supposed to be a whill?

EDIT: wookiepedia says its a different force cult

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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For me the CGI Tarkin was terrible less because it was badly done (it was pretty well done actually, I agree), and more because Peter Cushing is a great and iconic actor I have seen in loads of films, and I felt like I was looking at a literal ghost.

I don't know why they didn't just recast Tarkin & Leia. Or at least Leia, and then dub her. With Leia particularly it felt cheap and gimmicky designed for shock value, and it's going to damage the film's ability to hold-up overtime.

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Carrie Fisher had not died when the film was released, if that is what you meant.

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I meant they pointlessly used a flashy effect that will date badly, sort of like when you watch a terrible sf movie from 30 years ago and there's some big effects set piece that was novel at the time but now seems chintzy and unnecessary. I mean, Leia didn't even need to be in that movie at all.

Also I think it makes more sense to just use new actors who kind of look like the old ones. If you will indulge me, I think it's part of a bigger trend of people wanting their movies to seem real and fit their expectations of what seems logical or cool or whatever at the expense of the greater freedom inherent in older, sloppier styles of filmmaking. Even James Bond has continuity now, and it's seriously damaged the series.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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What I thought you meant was insane.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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I thought it was a fine movie and even better than 7. I think they got the plot from one of the books, and I was pretty impressed with how well it tied in to the original series. Especially liked that everyone died.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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Episode 8 talk!
(quick reminder that this is a spoilers thread)

Everyone was worried about the porgs, but the porgs were fine and even downright likable...

...especially compared to some of the rest of this movie!
(I would have preferred two hours of porgs over it)

The Yoda scene was pointless and awful, and I would declare it the worst, but it's not the clear worst, because there's also that stupid scene where Leia Mary Poppinses herself through the void of space without dying.

A lot of what I wanted from this movie was more attention on the new characters, a chance to flesh them out, and we did see that with Kylo. I'm still not 100% sure I could sum up Rey, like who she is, what is her personality, etc., but we're a little closer.
And I guess we're a little closer with Poe although I barely care.
Finn still does not have a specific personality afaict.

I'm glad Snoke died because he sucked.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars [SPOILERS]
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I quite liked it. I thought the Yoda scene was nice; it was a good piece to put on the tail end of Luke's arc over the course of the saga. I do agree about the Leia thing, though; it was weird and didn't really make a whole lot of sense.

I really liked all of the bits between Kylo Ren and Rey, although I agree that Rey (and Finn) is mostly personalityless. I guess "good", but that's boring as her primary character trait.

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i really appreciated that johnson abandoned the tfa "YO FUCK THE PREQUELS" stuff and made a movie that, to use lucas' parlance, rhymed with them as much as or really more than the original trilogy, especially as far as tone is concerned. also interesting how much johnson borrowed from the kotor games. would have been interesting if he was given free rein over the first movie instead of jj abrams. it was so gd long tho

i liked all the cg creature scenes and thought they were v cute. they should have done cg yoda again. glad to see benecio del toro. i LOVED laura dern and it's a shame they didn't know carrie fisher was going to die so they could have just slotted laura dern into the role.

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i feel like johnson understood the message of the prequels better than anyone except like chris avellone

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Today i read that they made the ports because there were too many indigenous puffins on the island where they were filming to the point that they couldn’t reasonably edit them out in post.

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Awww.

Not only do I wish there were puffins in the movie, I now wish I was wherever they filmed.

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BTW, I agree that the Kylo/Rey bits were good.

And I do generally like Laura Dern, and I'm supportive of putting her in Star Wars (I agree re: taking Leia's role), but she was so caught up in a bad subplot that it's difficult to not associate her character with it.

Also, and maybe this is a strange criticism, but I felt like the postures of the characters were stiff* throughout the film, and she was a prime example of that. I don't know that she was often seen other than just kind of standing there.
(unlike if you GIS "Laura Dern Jurassic Park" which gives you a variety of interesting poses)

* = exceptions for Rey, the Elite Praetorian Guard, maybe some others

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